Now, the church has decided its longtime leader wont be coming back. And a few days later James MacDonalds sons, Luke and Landon MacDonald, also announced they are resigning. I never understood why they saw him the way they do. I never worked at Harvest under Pastor James, I never wrote a book, I never had any altercation with Pastor James, and never had a complaint about him. When you started, you (and others) mentioned the cult of personality that James benefitted from. There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. My coworker who was Catholic and going through a painful divorce, was led to Christ by me. Again this is HER TRUTH! These are the same elders who signed the letter of unconditional support for James, and then they fire him? God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. I dont know why, except that I just really wasnt getting the Word of God from the stage and I do mean stage. Listen, believe, obey, shut up. When you are in a position where fear dictates the position you cannot speak out while under that. I have lived with fear in my life almost my entire life. Thank you for your courage and for responding. Start praying for Jesus to heal the entire body of which He Alone is the Head. I remember when I saw the tattoo that James got and I remembered the line from The Davinci Code about the Chevron symbol. We are to fear God not man. Study-7:00 PM. Based on just the first few paragraphs, I hear you! Then God led him to Harvest Bible Chapel. In eras of prosperity, their hearts drifted. Women are not silenced: This model is not original and is old but it is appropriate for the megachurch and also for the persecuted church. Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. Harvest Bible Chapel We're here to glorify God through the fulfillment of the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20). If you ever make that offer again, Ill be there, but please post on Twitter. Did you realize elders and pastors are personally apologizing g to people? Five Uncomfortable Church Documentaries Still Worth Watching, Asbury Announces New Service ScheduleCampus Will Be Closed to the Public After Today, Eight Witnesses Testified Against Hillsong Founder Brian Houston in Court Case. Our cold hearts lack love that shows the world we are His. I will not blame those who suffer spiritual starvation for wolves like the James McDonalds, Joel Olsteens or Creflo Dollars (to name but a few), however designer churches and their false teachers are the direct results of people who refuse to be obedient and submissive to Gods will. I am airing on the side of no. I questioned a particular sermon that clearly was unbiblical but no one else did. Will those men now be known for their mark as sinful followers of James? By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman/person ruled by fear. Of course people can join in with instruments too. 37For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. The elders were given a paper that laid out their duties, that mostly consisted of protecting, encouraging, and blessing the senior pastor. Lean should read it and reply in kind. He (the pastor) basically told us we would never work in ministry (volunteer or vocationally) because we didnt understand biblical authority. I love Dr. Dobsons admonition that while it is tempting to want to get out of a painful situation, often the only way out is through. Because evangelical megachurches are typically formed around a single charismatic individual, elder boards are generally loathe to consider letting this individual go. Please anchor in on John 7:24. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known. Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. This decision was made with heavy hearts and much time spent in earnest prayer, followed by input from various trusted outside advisors.. Id be interested in reading you blog on tattoos. After telling us that the elder board always made every decision by full consent, we learned that the former head of the elder board found out about major church initiatives from his seat in the congregation. Its hard to step out alone but God always protects and brings darkness into the light to be seen. We talked with two deacons and the assistant pastor. I am a 60 year old grandfather who wants to get a tatoo around my ankle of all six of my grandchildrens names. James biggest issue was his condemnation of other preachers, he never mentioned them by name he knew better, but I knew who he was talking about. Elgin Quick Links Baptisms, February 19th The preacher has no support system to fall back on but must find a new church before the new hireling moves in. I didnt want to upset James. The issue here is not TIMING or kicking someone when theyre down its about exposing ungodly, cowardly behavior and making people aware of its existence. A defamation lawsuit by the church against the website, and Julie Roys, a reporter for the bi-weekly Christian World magazine, who investigated Harvest, was dropped last month. []. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. We are wounded and grieving. Sheri coordinates data collection and assists with day-to-day office administration for the church staff. Still, even I knew when enough was enough. Do you read the elder updates? Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. Lina, you are strong and your faith in the Lord is inspiring. Sign up for our newsletter: I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. Yet their silence hurt me and sometimes made me question the validity of my reasons for leaving. Like the unsaved around us we fight for positions of prestige to lord it over one another. Looking sideways (practical love): It didnt. It IS her truth The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, a defendant in the lawsuit and the writer responsible for the World investigation, who has continued to release evidence against MacDonald and call for his resignation. What I have realized is the weakness and defeatism of so-called Christians who immediately abandon their Church when trouble comes its way. Harvest dropped the lawsuit; MacDonald took a leave of absence; Roys revealed that MacDonald had lied; and then, finally, MacDonald went on a public vulgar, slander-laced tirade against Roys and Christianity Today. For a different church model, see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. The founder of a Chicago megachurch has been fired as its leader. No church is, because they are all filled with sinners like us. Publicizing viewpoints rejected by the elder majority for any reason is satanic to the core. The link was in my post above. Bless you! I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. Unreal as I went to Harvest for over 7 yrs and this whole situation has hurt so many people. In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. While regret cant look back, we now live in a different era than we did four years ago. (It wouldve done no good to tell them how they erred when previous months didnt get it done.) Further, Nellie, I am glad that you missed out on being a victim of the authoritarian rule that grew, without check, in the once fertile soil of a formerly great ministry. I am thankful for JESUS that used Pastor James in my life. Rita, be encouraged. God bless. Or share it. Though MacDonald initially opted to step away from all preaching and leadership roles at the churchs Chicago-area locations, in his January 16 sabbatical announcement he suggested he might still preach at a Harvest congregation in Naples, Florida, which led to another saga. I regret my own weaknesses, my love for the approval of others. Superior to whom? Through it all, our relationship with Christ was strengthened all the more. The beloved drink is both an attraction and a generational divide. I knew he wasnt perfect, but then, neither was I, I reasoned. for less than $4.25/month. The Lord has used you mightily before, during and after your exit from the toxic leadership at Harvest. And you will not lose true friends and sisters in Christ. I miss that about you. I am sorry I am so late to discover this article but I had to respond to this comment. I thank you for your willingness to risk being misunderstood while offering your experience to help reduce the shame of others, who need a hand to hold, as they work through their own healing. The abuse I suffered first hand and working through the realizations and implications of that abuse have been traumatic. Throughout the week, there are opportunities for you to grow in your walk with Christ, to serve, and to connect with other people in the Rolling Meadows area. While tens of thousands flocked to campus, school officials met in a storage closet to make decisions that would honor what is happening.. Love my bible sisters. I do have to laugh though. I pray shes wrong. I left Harvest about a year before you did, and I also stayed, for the most part, silent out of the same fear you described. Others will be hurtit is a matter of time. He has harmed thousands of people. Its like I seek mans favor as well, rather than the Lords. We never gave up on God because He never gives up on us. I pray that moving forward, His love will control me no matter the consequences. I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. I think God has not lifted the veil on a lot of eyes for some reason. Both can be messy, but in the latter case, responsibility for that mess must be laid squarely at the feet of the abusive Elders who are sinning, not at the feet of Christs little ones, the oppressed members of Christs flock, who are being caused to stumble, nor at the feet of those attempting to triage the wounded and sound a warning to others who are in danger of being I volunteer in the childrens ministry and the youth ministry as well, pouring into children and youth. My current church I actually joined, unlike Harvest, and have been there five years and counting now. In fact, even though there is no patents or rights given to the Bible every man-made church that has plagiarized, promoted or used the Bible without the expressed consent of Jesus Himself or the authority of His church begin their ministries as thieves. In his statement released this week, MacDonald continues to criticize the church for its treatment of him and cites the successful arbitration as confirmation that the truth has been on his side all along. It is finally the truth coming to light from his own actions and the people who protected him for years. Do You Really Have to Go to Church Every Sunday? For you to step back and taken ownership of your piece in the large (very large) puzzle, is a humility and grace only Jesus can provide. Harvest Kids is our weekend experience for kids (babies to fifth grade). According to Roys extensive research and interviews, changes didnt occur at Harvest; instead, questionable treatment and practices continued. Vicki Stevenson, I have not read your blogs for some time but the Holy Spirit caused me to stop and read this post. Doing ministry you love. An eight-month investigation into pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel, his Chicago-area megachurch, culminated last week with the publication of a World Magazine article by Julie Roys. I was mortified. This is the mercy and grace of God. I havent seen the video but abuse of power at any level is sickening!! Im grateful that the sin of James and the elders/staff who allowed his tyranny to prosper is finally coming to light, so that the abuse can come to an end. As questions about how Harvest Bible Fellowship money was used ballooned, the pressure mounted. Faith is Christ living. The congregation has been deceived, lied to, and hounded to give sacrificially, all the while the senior pastor has been making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories. The fallout has only just begun. Fear is never a godly way of governing. model and not on the Old Testament hierarchical model. Nice to hear from you again! I was wrong. The bloggers began posting again, however, in 2017, around the same time that Harvest Bible Fellowship was dissolved in 2017, due in part to concerns by some some member churches about how Harvest was managing the fellowships finances. This Is a Revival Season Sean Feucht Announces 7 Days of Prayer on Capitol Hill, The Chosen, Candace Cameron Bure, Dolly Parton Win at This Years Movieguide Awards, Christian High School Girls Basketball Team Forfeits Tourney Spot Due to Trans Opponent, Tickets for SatanCon 2023, The Largest Satanic Gathering in History, Sell Out. I still had friends on the inside that I longed to remain friends with. Most of my friends as well. The good intentions of our ministry partnership with Harvest Chicago have been overshadowed by these developments, he said. Therefore Lina did what God moved her to do in His Boldness and Courage, being fear had silenced her. I was just starting out at Harvest in September of 2011. Lina you were humble and owned more than most. Nicole, I am sorry if you are offended. I kept seeing little hints of questionable goings-on at Harvest Bible Church, a large megachurch in suburban Chicago, but didnt really pay attention until last week, when the issue blew up in the most bizarre way. Im praying for you. While I am personally removed from the situation, my brother and sister-in-law attend a Harvest Church and there has been a lot of pain through all of this. The devil may win some battles, but we know God ultimately wins the war. Todays Christians are weak and show Satan how powerful he is when their own Church is faced with trouble. No One Knows. But the truth needs to be out there. Not saying thete arent strong christians in leadership at this church but it does always seem that when pride gets in the way of leadership it hurts that person and everyone around them. These are the last days! It is those who live in fear. Theres a difference between stirring the pot and exposing false teachers as the Scriptures instruct us to do. James wrath is powerful. That, apparently, was what it took to get him fired. Humility, repentance, confession, forgiveness, reconciliation, mercy, love, compassion, healing, serious prayer and so much more for and by everyone should be given top priorities on our agendas soon if not now. How you hit the nail on the head! Thank you for your honesty and your explanation. Wake up and take some serious deep reflection you follow a man not Jesus that is extremely dangerous my suggestion to you.., workout your salvation with fear and trembling my sister in Christ. You are courageous! Good word, my sister. REALLY !! Sounds like your faith in self is overwhelming only yourself! I am ashamed to say that after being a member at Harvest for 8 years, that was the first real conversation I had had with an elder about the state of affairs of the church at that time. But a true Christian focuses on Christ and His Word. Harvest responded by suing both bloggers, their wives, and Julie Roys. We cant judge the HEART of others, we can judge their actions and behaviors. Last November, Harvests new elders (all those who served under MacDonald stepped down) declared that their former pastor failed to meet the elder qualifications laid out in Scripture and could not return to their church. These being the facts of my simple, uncomplicated, and naive experience as an attendee and member of Harvest, the last several weeks of revelations, discoveries, denial, anger, grief, victims, conjecture, embarrassment, hurt, stories, gossip, cover-ups, accusations, defensiveness, lawsuits, maliciousness, divisiveness, blame, threats, and even some name-calling as of late I have begun to realize that those of us who are just the congregation, the blessed and appreciative recipients of the God-given talents of all those involved in running and ministering Harvest, we are now in the painful position reminiscent of children involved in the divorce of parents, both(ALL!) Hoping you come back and teach a book of the Bible. From elders (Dave Corning, Jon Gaus, The Elephant Debt etc) to nobodies one by one we were all ignored and in many cases bullied. Whats also sad is that old witness accounts go to show how truly far reaching and how long this behavior has been going on. I was a woman ruled by fear. Just pray in a prayer closet to be still in the presence of Jesus. A worship song says He gives and takes away, He gives and takes away, and still my heart will say Blessed be the name of the LORD!. No wonder Harvest dropped the suit. No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival, Southern Baptist Convention Disfellowships Saddleback Church, After Pushing for UMC Unity, Former Bishop Joins New Denomination, After Chaos and Crisis, Beth Moore Still Finds Refuge in the Church, With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. In the arbitration, MacDonald retained the rights to Walk in the Word, a part of the church that had put on his teaching ministry and popular radio broadcast. But when it happens for reasons like this we should be shouting it but unfortunately we dont always perceive the abuse for what it was/is until we are out of the situation. When we left, after having posted a letter to the elders, not a single person called us to see how we were doing. In one fellowship people were actually warned to have nothing to do with us, and yet all we had done, in each instance was to ask questions. Not everything needs to be about Polititcs. Within days of their statement, MacDonald offered a public apology, admitting to careless and hurtful words and a regression into sinful patterns of fleshly anger and self-pity that wounded co-workers and others.. Church Online is a place for you to experience God and connect with others. So are you saying that there is mind control of the underling staff and of the rank and file members going on at HBC? In a recorded video message, Bill Sperling, an elder, told the congregation that the elders concluded that there is a sinful pattern of inappropriate language, anger and domineering behavior. Look, Im sorry, but thats a bit late. But your words affirmed what I suspected. Were you bullied by those elders named? Pray for those still there trying to care for the confused and hurting hearts. How important it is to pray pray pray and check on our leaders also of their growth in Christ and what our church mission is and to stay biblical, not political but biblical. Fear is what has been under all this, I would not be surprised if there is some fear in Jamess heart that is the root cause of his sins here. It quickly became one of the 50 largest churches in the country, with over 12,000 members and eight campuses in the Chicago area. We attended Elgin from 2005 through 2008. Still. It took months to get over the hurt he caused my husband and I. I dont take joy in this situation, but I rejoice in the truth. Not one. What is strange about your concern about your own fear is I have been of thee opinion that Pastor James must have been ruled by his own fear-fear of losing influence and the fear of losing his ministry. I can only hope and pray that those that criticize you for speaking up now are MORE upset about the behavior of the leaders of the church! Harvest, an off-shoot of an eponymous megachurch in Illinois, was sued for. I have always wondered why? Nor do I want to be part of a fellowship where the whole counsel of God is not taught nor eschatology ever mentioned. Please avoid these former Harvest elders at all cost, lest you incur great detriment to your own soul. After he was treated and had surgery he was totally different person: quick to get angry all the time, control freak, and mean.there are things that we dont know. | Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel Facebook The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability has suspended Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Church following the firing of its longtime pastor James MacDonald and amid ongoing revelations that the ministry had misappropriated funds. He clearly told me that they send out reminders to give. Roys also lamented the fallout of todays news. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman ruled by fear. That is, so many think that the church is the pastors ministry and they dont adequately facilitate the ministry of believers. My heart breaks for the ones who will walk away from church and walk away from God. This woman sounds sincere. Jackie Alfirevic HBC mothership (1992-2011). Its hard no impossible- to do everything with the right motivation. What would Jesus do? Not everyone is so blessed, and for those of you who have left HBC and have had to find a new local church, there are healthy ones out there. From your first speaking engagement at Harvest, I have watched your ministry(ies) and have see you be a strong fast speaking, outgoing woman, by ethnic background, yet a humble servant of Christ who feels deeply the impact of wrongfulness. As one person whom MacDonald led to the Lord remarked to me, Its like finding out your wife is a serial killer. The disillusionment, betrayal, and loss can be excruciating. To judge a fellow brother and think you know if he is a believer is dangerous. James could have easily prayed, [] There are a couple of other reads that came to my attention this evening related to Harvest Bible Chapel that I wanted to make people aware. 35The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. He was a very good speaker and teacher of the Bible but was forced to resign from our church a few years back. I am staying because with all the faults in the organization, the people of Harvest are my family. Nellie, This pastor couldnt have been more wrong. Still, things seemed off. Such lack of accountability is often a problem at megachurches, which tend to be founded by charismatic individuals who quickly amass a large following. Thank you for being honest and speaking truth. I guess I felt like one of the peons of Harvest, and that me reaching out wouldnt matter, since I was not a part of the inner circle or personally close to you. MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical in January, following a tumultuous few months defending Harvest in a defamation lawsuit against its critics and in the aftermath of a World magazine investigation into mismanagement at the church. Be very careful Azaelea. The pastor took the opportunity to lay into them and basically tell him that he was the one in the wrong. I am so glad Lina has spoken up. My faith has been shaken by the situation at another Christian organization. Not cool to kick people when they are down. I, like you, am so thankful for how God has worked in me and my family through the ministries at Harvestincluding the teaching and selfless service of Lina, and so many others (some who have left, and some who chose to stay). She put words to my feelings and I am truly blessed by them. This is a very vulnerable time for a lot of people and I am sure God weeps for every single wounded soul.. What you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the housetops.. You are loved. Amen sister!! The timing of this article makes you less credible. It is a shame to Christianity what is happening here. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. Despite recent legal cases and reports of greedy abuses, experts say the longstanding benefit remains safe. I love who you are and what you do. On his radio show, Muller later aired what sounded like clips of MacDonald making harsh comments toward media who had covered the story. Do you realize the elders are already choosing to step down? Harvest Bible Church is a non-denominational, non-charismatic, evangelical Protestant church located in Northwest Houston in the Cypress community. Sports Betting Hits a New High: A Crisis in the Making? Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, for the law of the spirit of life (in Christ Jesus) has set me free from the law of sin and death.. No church outside of the One True Church Christ began was given His authority to act on their own. I am aware that there has been some very good ministry done through this church. The Harvest and James MacDonald Controversy Explained, Did Pharaoh Have Free Will? I feel like I cant trust my own judgment any more. Did you know that Satan and his minions come to Harvest? 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