* how can the sun and moon can hover at a fixed distance above FE? The central sacred importance of Mount Graham has been known to the Mount Graham astronomers since 1968, long before the opening of the Vatican's telescope in 1993. splendors intolerable blinds feeble, Downes, Nathaniel. In 1987 the Observatory in collaboration the Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences in Berkeley, California, began a series of interdisciplinary study seminars bringing together science, philosophy and theology on the theme of divine action from a scientific perspective. (RNS) Congress approved the transfer of the land to Resolution Copper in 2014 in exchange for 6,000 acres elsewhere, but the Western Apache claim that the site has unique spiritual meaning. As of 1965 the Mount Graham Red Squirrel was believed to have been extinct. Graham in Arizona to mount a telescope there? The Apache regard the Mt. Native American nations and tribal governments could consider a resolution opposing the UA projectssee the NCAI resolution below. bears the Light, and with its Groups of up to six can reserve the 36-inch computerized telescope for a four-hour session. Home Podcasts Start listening View podcast show Save for later Create a list Download to app From a hillside behind St. Peters Basilica, Vatican astronomers studied the heavens, taking part in an international program to map the whole sky. This has been fun. That telescope should be relocated to a non-destructive and more astronomically suitable site. Photo by Claire Cummings.) It would certainly destroy the doctrinal principles of religions which have sprung off the theoretical foundation that Lucifer is the devil especially those which deem their leaders infallible. In the early 1980s, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as the preferred site for a huge observatory with up to 20 telescopes. (Mount Graham, seen from U.S. 191, south of Safford, Ariz. Photo by Ben Lund / CC BY-SA 2.0.) In his support for the protection of Mount Graham, Terry B. Johnson of the Arizona Game and Fish department stated, Management of Mount Graham must preclude anything that negatively impacts spruce-corkbark-fir forest and middens or impedes their development.If we protect the ecosystem, the individual species will also be protected. (Mount Graham Coalition), In addition to the argument to protect the ecosystem and endangered species of Mount Graham, Apache natives began to publicly protest the development of the observatory atop the sacred mountain by passing out flyers at the University of Arizona and filing a court appeal against the University of Arizona in 1992. Even Satan doesn't known when it will happen and so he [], [] wolves calculate that one! (McLeod, Corbin). Father Coyne further declared that Apache beliefs were a kind of religiosity to which I cannot subscribe and which must be suppressed with all the force we can muster. http://thirdsecret.forumotion.com/t12-vatican-builds-a-giant-telescope-and-names-it-lucifer, http://natzrim.blogspot.com/2012/08/who-is-lucifer.html, http://www.wayofthenazarene.org/index.php?page=articles&show=one&id=100, http://natzrim.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-struggle-between-good-and-evil.html. The mexican spotted owl, Apache Trout, Pinaleo pocket gopher, long-tailed vole, and Northern Goshawk accompany the Mount Graham Red Squirrel on the endangered species list for animals residing in the area where the observatory was built. Yikes! Back in 2010, the University of Arizona, . Fact Check: In recent days, multiple Facebook users have been attempting to link the Vatican to a telescope supposedly called "Lucifer," a name used to refer to Satan in Christianity. So we are indoctrinated, and by college no less. The church held most knowledge in books which had laboriously been handwritten by priests until then. And they are nothing but propaganda for the state. vatican_observatory_castel_gandolfo On this sacred and ecologically diverse mountain the University of Arizona and other international scientists chose to build an astronomical observatory. But because the mountain was taken away from tribal control, Apache people over the past 150 years have not always been able to find that peace or even pray in their sacred land. What if we showed you, however, that there is no Biblical Character by the name of Lucifer; and the enemy, that is hasatan, is never, at any point in the Bible, referred to by name? A 1986 draft environmental impact statement developed by the Forest Service said archaeological sites were detected within the observatory area, and that the most appropriate treatment of these sites must be determined in consultation with the State Historic Preservation Officer and the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation. The Forest Service also said, Presently no known impact on Native American religious use exists.. UA continues to infringe on the religious freedom of the Apache, not just through the construction of the telescopes, but through their prevention of religious activities. The Vatican Observatory is most likely part of the Manufactured Alien Threat. </p> <p>To the Apache the ecology of the area is what makes the land sacred and it is not related to the western idea of a physical shrine. Even in Freemasonry when you reach high degree they say that most been taught its to be bad, instead of good. The Lucifer Telescope, Sacred Apache Land & the Vatican Enjoy this podcast, and so much more Podcasts are available without a subscription, 100% free. As the Vatican Observatory Official Website explains: First and foremost the word in the actual Hebrew text (that is translated as Lucifer) is the word haylel () which means morning star. The Book of proverbs emphatically shows that ones wisdom is dictated by their ability to learn from mistakes, make corrections, and be corrected, not the inability to make mistakes and/or be corrected. Indigenous worldviews, values and sacred places strengthen the earths biological and cultural diversity, in distribution: standing on sacred ground, Mount Graham threatens science without humanity. BTW, I am still waiting for you to point me to that curved water. To the Apache the ecology of the area is what makes the land sacred and it is not related to the western idea of a physical shrine. Web. From that time and with some degree of continuity the Holy See has manifested an interest in and support for astronomical research. "This is a story of light pollution and how it persecutes poor astronomers." In the 1930s, Pope Pius XI relocated the Observatory to . Why? This mountain is home to a large diversity of animals that have come up from the heat of Mexico and down from the northern mountains of the Pinaleo mountain range. Get personalized recommendations, and learn where to watch across hundreds of streaming providers. Father Coyne further declared that Apache beliefs were a kind of religiosity to which I cannot subscribe and which must be suppressed with all the force we can muster.. 237- COFFEE BREAK: Q-ANON: AS THE WORLD TURNS: HYPOTHESIS- RIDDLE: SOLVED? If anyone believes that the Earth is flat they are stupid. Et oui, il porte le nom du diable, dont le nom en fait signifie toile du matin [et qui] se trouve tre justement ct de lObservatoire du Vatican sur le mont Graham Tucson . Does the Lakota sweat ceremony provide a sense of place? Is it about the warning from the New Testament, book of Revelation and the end times? Several religious orders contributed personnel and directors to the Observatory, including Barnabites, Oratorians, Augustinians, and Jesuits. The Vatican has collaborations with all major astronomy institutions, so coordinating how information is released is well coordinated; The Observatory carries out these programs in collaboration with many astronomical research institutes in countries including Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Finland, Italy, Lithuania, South Africa, the United States, and as members of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) and the International Center for Relativistic Astrophysics (ICRA). Im patient. ), (Protesters in the lobby of Ardrey Auditorium hand out fliers with information about their opinions concerning the observatory on top of Mt. Or man up and admit you cannot. Notre Dame announced they will pay the University of Arizona $266,000 per night for six nights each year for telescope viewing on Mount Graham, notwithstanding repeated Apache protests of religious desecration. But you cant even pull an example of convex water out of that hat Seriously. Baboquivari Peak. THE GOLDFISH REPORT NO. Many people have not paid much attention to the ancient laws. Im curious, why would the Vatican name the telescope Lucifer? The commission consisted of four working groups to deal with exegetics, general culture, science and epistemology, and history and jurisprudence. The Vatican, which has invested in the project, challenged the sacredness of the mountain based on the lack of structures or objects. I took astronomy in college and it is not possible for the planets to move in the sky the way they do without the sun being the center of our solar system. The verse they cited, which allegedly corresponds with Isa 14:12, Luke 10:18, does not quote Isa 14:12, nor does it say Lucifer, Haylel, or any of the like. Lucifer is the enemy right (hasatan)? At the exact era that science was allegedly replacing the Vaticans teachings that the Earth was the center of the universe and solar system, the Roman Catholic church was planning to build the very first large observatories of the heavens. For the Apache in Arizona, one of these sacred places is Mount Graham: this place is called Dzil Nchaa Si An (Big Seated Mountain) and is mentioned in 32 of the sacred songs . One of those groups installed a telescope and briefly nicknamed one of its attachments "Lucifer" in. (Mount Graham Red Squirrel, Mount Graham Coalition). Ive been to Indian sacred grounds and experienced a few situations to influence my belief. Evil is evil. It was because we were moving as well as the planets. 1999-2012 Christopher McLeod, 1 Nov. 2003. With the environmental and cultural concerns circumvented, UA proceeded to ignore and discredit the San Carlos Apaches claim to the mountain as a sacred place. Funding for the project was only possible with the generosity of private, philanthropic support. and the Vatican created the great lie that it sold to the world for the past 400 years through use of subversion, corruption and deceit using the secret societies, as well as their own secret army, the S.M.O.M., Sovereign Military Order of MaltaakaKnights of Malta, to do their dirty work including the funding to General Davis to finance the Civil War, Assassinations of Lincoln and JFK, control of all puppets in the White House, Controller of all spook agencies, called The Entity and the greatest purveyor of violence on the world since 1540! Fifteen years later, after incursions by settlers on what the Apaches knew were their own lands by treaty, they fought back. Bigelow and Lemmon, High Elevation Antarctic Terahertz Telescope, Telescopes Used Primarily for Public Viewing, Raymond E. White, Jr. 21" Telescope on Campus, Other Talks for the Professional Community. Find telescopes and instruments, telescope time applications, staff and mountain contacts, and faculty and staff scientific interests. This is a simple indication that the word Haylel is not a proper name, nor was lucifer intended to be viewed as a proper name in its original usage. VATT is part of the Mount Graham International Observatory situated on Mount Graham in southeast Arizona, and is operated by the Vatican Observatory, one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world, in partnership with The University of Arizona. So definitively Lucifer and Haylel have the same meaning (implicitly), however there is one major problem. FREIstaatliche Religionsgemeinschaft LichtlanD, LichtlanD. Among other endangered species in the area is the Mount Graham Red Squirrel, which is found nowhere else in the world. The task of the commission was officially described as a scholarly and calm reflection, founded on objective evidence and emphatically not a new trial nor an attempt at rehabilitation. receive notifications of new posts by email. When I also read, Jesuit Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, indicated he could not find an authentic Apache who thought the mountain was sacred. We have been fighting or trying to make the people understand that we feel that anything that'splaced on the ground or anything that puts out radiation or any kind of electrical equipment destroys our way of praying.. It doesnt hold water, and I know water. Why would they then be the first to build telescopes to look into space and continue to this day? The director of the Vaticans Observatory, George Coyne, wrote that efforts to protect Mount Graham consist of a kind of environmentalism and a religiosity to which I cannot subscribe and which must be suppressed with all the force that we can muster.. The Vatican wanted that specific site for whatever they were into. This requirement rankles many, including former San Carlos Apache Chairman and Native rights advocate Wendsler Nosie. It has been weeks since I asked for what should be simple proof, since the majority of the face of this earth is water. "House Votes to Sell Apache Land to Foreign Corporation, Tribe Is . As a Mason, it never fails to tickle me when I read the strange ideas that some people have of the fraternity. The Trump administration is set to approve a controversial land swap, clearing the way for a giant copper mine to open beneath sacred Oak Flat. Quote: It's holy ground, sacred and alive to the Apache bands that call this corner of the Southwest home. * what causes them to move at all? Why, when it took until 1992 for the Vatican to pardon Galileo? Change). The mountain is one of several which mark the boundaries of their sacred space. Isa 14:12 is the ONLY place the word Lucifer is EVER used in the Tanakh. DziNchaaSi An, or Big Seated Mountain in Apache, is shown on most maps as Mount Graham. Welch said that in all, about 15 million acres were carved out of the public domain to be designated Apache lands. And not only within Christianity has this idea attained popularity, but within various occultist groups, particularly Satanism and Luciferianism, Satan and Lucifer are commonly used interchangeably. Not only was this constructed, with great objection by the Apache Nation, on sacred ground, but left everyone with zero explanation as to naming it Lucifer! He was arrested in 1997 for trespassing when he was fleeing an oncoming thunderstorm using the construction road built for what the Apaches considered sacrilege: a telescope complex on the mountains peak. By way of surveying the role of astronomy in astrobiology and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, this series will follow our tour. Sacred Apache land 'on death row' in standoff with foreign mining titans Tribal members in Arizona are fighting to protect a piece of land they consider their "Mount Sinai." Apaches fight. Vatican City is the smallest country in the world. The Arizona Republic (Phoenix, Arizona) reports that the Jesuit Father Charles W. Polzer calls opposition to the construction of the telescope complex on top of Mount Graham part of a Jewish conspiracy and comes from the Jewish lawyers of the American Civil Liberties Union who are out to undermine and destroy the Catholic Church. This link is crucial to understanding how 500 years of a massive lie can be perpd through the Vatican, Freemasons and NASA. Apache-Sitgreaves Observatory is a private facility about 60 miles east of Payson that offers viewing programs by reservation only. Following the unification of Italy in 1870, the pontifical observatories became state property. (LogOut/ One of Arizona's "Sky Islands," a sacred place to Apaches, has been damaged by development and a controversial observatory. For the Apache in Arizona, one of these sacred places is Mount Graham: this place is called Dzil Nchaa Si An (Big Seated Mountain) and is mentioned in 32 of the sacred songs . In 1988, they succeeded in getting Congress to attach a rider to the Arizona-Idaho Conservation Act which exempted the first 3 telescopes from any restrictions in the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and the Endangered Species Act (ESA). The Vatican set up one of the first observatories back in the 16th century and has continued to this day with the recent buildout of its newest observatory called LUCIFER, or LUCI, depending on what you read. of course you do not address the fact that the Vatican is the greatest and longest owners of large scale telescopes, had a Jesuit priest advising Einstein and that Copernicus book that allegedly discredited the Vatican, was dedicated to the Pope. They were put there to mark the times and seasons and have been successful used as such for millennia. In this same article the coalition leader concludes his thoughts by stating that there is not much more to do to protect the mountain, but to pray that it will be protected. 03 Nov. 2012. Vatican Observatory. You CANNOT find convex water. Through owning all of the information coming from the heavens, along with NASA, they been able to steer and control the narratives that we all learn about what is, and has been going on in our universe. Lens" page. (Mount Graham Coalition.) <, DiCosola, Maria. This was followed by the build out of book publishing directed by the Vatican. Since the power line was not included in the first phase of the project, opponents of the project challenged UA in court on the grounds that the power line and all future construction should be subject to the NEPA, ESA, and NHPA. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The Sacred Sites Summit in Tucson, Arizona, will offer sessions on Native religion and spirituality, the history of colonization and capitalism . The observatory ended up in court and the opponents lost. We serve this community, operating and maintaining facilities at the remote observing site . Our advice is to avoid these groups at all cost. 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